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will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an
of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of continuing the tax breaks for the wealthy. now there's been very little progress here on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint economic committee hearing. they're going to hear from a top economist not only about the jobs numbers coming out tomorrow but also about what can be done to avoid this issue at the end of the year. >> tracie potts for us in washington.
let him go off the cliff. let it go through and let barack obama have what he wants. people voted for it. we slide in recession and we say look, we had it their way. i think they are not carrying about the nation's future. right now, $136,000 household in debt. this is about getting re-elec re-elected. i want to say something quickly about the simpsons. it's dangerous to trivialize what is going on. simpson, if we go up the fiscal cliff simpsons are hit the hardest. the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was president obama. season. >> the way bush has done it, over the last eight years is to take out a cr
on the fiscal cliff? >> guest: last week i said let obama have what he wants. republican member should vote present. maybe not even let him go off the cliff. let it go through and let barack obama have what he wants. people voted for it. we slide in recession and we say look, we had it their way. i think they are not carrying about the nation's future. right now, $136,000 household in debt. this is about getting re-elec re-elected. i want to say something quickly about the simpsons. it's dangerous to trivialize what is going on. simpson, if we go up the fiscal cliff simpsons are hit the hardest. the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october
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stories. president obama playing fiscal cliff hardball this morning. he's telling republicans he will not agree to a deal that doesn't include a tax hike on the wealthiest americans, hardening his position on this. he'll be meeting with business leaders today. >>> later this morning, speaker john boehner meets with fellow house republicans. sources tell cnn gop leaders are looking for a way out. >> it turns out the barefoot recipient of boots by a new york city police officer was shoeless but guess what, not homeless. city officials say jeffrey hillman does have stable housing, an parm in the bronx. they say he's lived there rent-free for the past three years. but hillman regularly panhandles in times square. >> a former boy scout who says he was sexually abused is suing is the boy scouts of america. the lawsuit claims his former troop leader, thomas hacker was barred from the group in indiana in the 1970s but was able to rejoin as a volunteer in illinois in the 1980s. hacker was arrested in 1988, later convicted in the aggravated sexual assault of an 11-year-old troop member in
ahead, of course, live coverage of president obama's remarks on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> with the internet streaming space, hey, there melissa, we're looking at netflix bouncing around based on comments from the chief content cipher but the stock took a bit of a hit when he said that netflix has to plans to cover the costs of the disney deal. nevertheless causing the stock to come off the best levels of the day. back to you, carl. >>> the president is about to speak in front of the business roundtable. good morning, john. >> good morning, carl. he's talking to the business roundtable. you can expect him to highli
spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a
treasure secretary geithner saying the obama administration is absolutely ready to go over the fiscal cliff. >> what we got today was a assemble nar on hoaseminar on h. >> the vast majority of the media is on his side. no matter what he says, no matter what he does, even though what he's doing is outrageous, but his own party won't support him. >> the republicans have conceded the language. >> we could probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. >> it was week. >> president obama has said that he has pen in hand and he's prepared to sign the middle income tax cuts. >> you have a president of the united states that has the mighty pen. you bailed out the banks. bail out the american people that don't have homes for the holidays. >> in his second term i hope he will offer fresh ideas and serious leadership. >> we need a response from the white house. >> i'm hea here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> it's true that president obama won reelection and i congratulate him on his victory, but on january 20th, he'll face a stagnant economy and a fiscal mess
said. they want to go off of the fiscal cliff. then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there is it a few things. first more americans would blame the republicans and not president obama if we went off of the fiscal cliff. that is a motivation. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: ron, why do they feel that way? >> brian:ip totally agree with you. looking at polls and say republicans will get blamed and so why not runuss off of the cliff. >> republicans should have their own plan. the majority of americans in exit polls have said we should balance and ask the wealthiest to pay more. >> gretchen: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. ron. that's not true. nothing is g
cliff, president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. i think that's smart. >> that's a good idea, too. >> but the stalemate in the negotiations entered new territory yesterday with, once again, treasury secretary tim geithner. >> he's got a light touch. >> he needs to step away, step away from the table. suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> republicans do not agree to that. is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- rr s -- rrm, it'emy 2%, it can't be solved. i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> okay, julia. see, this is the problem with men. on sunday morning geithner went on "meet the press" like they're going to cave. >> that's not good tactics for negotiations. >> get him out and get some women -- the congresswoma
and that fast-approaching fiscal cliff. president obama has rejected the latest republican offer. he's taking a very hard line in the talks. >>> there's growing outage here in new york city over a front-page photo from "the new york post" yesterday. this man has just fallen down on the tracks. is just seconds away from a subway train hitting and killing him. many people upset why the photographer was taking the picture and not helping the man. this morning, he's talking out, justifying why he took the photo. and why so many other folks were running away. there's nobody there trying to help him off the tracks. >> he says he was trying to help. we're going to get into that. >>> also, you guys over there took advantage of the spring weather yesterday. >> yes, we did. we needed a walk. but more importantly, we needed to see our old pal, robin. we got to walk through the riverside park, as the sun was setting on a beautiful day in manhattan. it's always the case. she's always the -- >> she looks fantastic. >> she is the best medicine for us. it was amazing. >> and let me tell you, only one of us f
blocked the committee from withdrawing his nomination. >> now to washington where president obama is warning republicans not to use the fiscal cliff as a borrowing limit. both sides seem to be digging in their heels with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff. fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes not by raising rates own the wealthy as the president has demanded. >> we're not insisting on rates out of spite but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't keep borrowing mown and raising taxes and expect the problem to go away. >> with no solution in sight the white house budget is now ordering the pentagon and other an an jencies to finalize their plan to avoid massive spending cuts. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looki
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you. >> sticking with the cliff, governors are set to meet with president obama and congressional leaders. the meeting coming one day after the white house rejected a republican plan for averting the cliff. chi chief washington correspondent john harwood is outside of the white house this morning. how do business leaders change the equation? >> reporter: the president is trying to orchestrate a consensus behind his approach to deficit reduction. this is a group part of the national governors association executive committee. a diverse group. he carried three states he represents and governors include scott walker, leader of conservative government reform movement going after public employee pensions and shrink government obligations that way. governors are pragmatic. the president is trying to make the case if you look at polls and revenue needs of the government and ageing of our population, the pragmatic thing to do is trim entitlements. the significance of speaker boehner's offer yesterday he put specifics on entitlements on the table. they are significant raising the medicare e
to d.c., on the fiscal cliff, 26 days to go before the deadline. president obama was back at it campaign-style. went to the home of one middle class family in virginia, saying if the middle class tax cuts expire when the deadline hits it will cost the family an equivalent of a month's rent. meanwhile, john boehner started the talks after a standoff that lasted almost a week. then there was the surprise that rocked the capital today. south carolina conservative, jim demint, a hero to many, is retiring next month. nbc's david gregory, the moderator of "meet the press," has more on the surprise announcement. >> reporter: about four years early, a lot of people thought it would happen by 2017, but not at this point. in his term, demint was somebody who turbo-charged the tea party movement. he told me he would like to see the party really adopt more of these tea party ideas. that really didn't happen. there were more internal fights. he did have success in fielding candidates and also failed. he said they didn't do enough to establish what the party was for. he is going to try
days left before the fiscal cliff deadline. president obama spoke on the phone with house speaker john boehner on wednesday while his treasury secretary said the white house is, in fact, ready to go straight over the fiscal cliff. major garrett is at the white house. major, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. later on this afternoon the president will travel across the potomac river to northern virginia to meet a middle-class family to make the self-evident point if the there is a deal and taxes are raised by about $2,000 they'll be happier and spend more money. that's the p.r. side of this. much more importantly, for the deal, the two key players yesterday picked up the phone. the phone call relatively brief and substantive, though details remain illusive. shorter, sources say. the last week 28-minute conversation described then as curt direct and frank. no one with this call used such barbed words and occurred before treasury secretary tim geithner laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> if the administration, are they prepared
stories. >>> president obama and house speaker john boehner chatting by phone about the fiscal cliff. no details or word of progress or future talks with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done. another prominent republican is breaking ranks. tom coburn, a leading conservative and fiscal hawk saying he'd prefer raising taxes on the wealthy as a way to raise revenues. >>> a bitter turf war between twitter and instagram elle cl escalating. no one on twitter will be able to see the images posted on instagram. instagram's goal is getting people to post more photos on their site. >>> a man cannot have any more children until he shows proof that he can actually afford those children. 44-year-old corey curtis is charged with failure to support two of the nine children that he's fathered with six women. he owes $85,000 and says he is ready to abide by the judge's order. >> good idea. >> all right. the grammy nominations announced in style with a star-studded concert, jay z and kanye west were among the six artists tied for the most nominations, six apiece. the grammy awards ceremony, music
is retiring as secretary of state. that's your 5@5:00. >>> the ball is back in president obama keerts. house republicans unveiling a bold proposal to avoid a so-called fiscal cliff. the white house didn't waste any time attacking it. kelly wright is live in washington with more on this. good morning, kelly. >> good morning to you. the back and forth is continuing in a letter with president obama. american people expect leaders to find fair middle ground with the nation's most pressing challenges. with that they propose is a counter over for the fiscal cliff. the republican plan has will00 billion for tax freerm 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts and 300 billion in discretionary cuts. the proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >>> we understand they don't agree with everything the president has put on the table but we haven't seen alternatives for that. they have spoken about an avenue and that challenge is welcome. republican leaders have been adamant they don't believe rates ought to go up on the top 2 percent of wealthiest americans. the america
secretary tim geithner told cnbc that president obama is prepared to take a dive off the so-called fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to take hikes on the richest americans. and so we welcome peter alexander, at the ranks of the white house correspondents, with a look at all of it. >> reporter: brian, good evening, on the north lawn, the phone call marks the first time speaker john boehner and the president spoke in a week, that is hardly something to celebrate, but they wouldn't characterize what they caused in the phone call as the country barrels towards the fiscal cliff. with no talks and no progress to avert the looming fiscal cliff, you could say the house has left the building, streaming out of the capitol. tomorrow's session cancelled. with only three work days left this year, they are often criticized. just 16 votes. across the country, rising frustration, americans asking why the holdup. and what will their taxes look like in 2013. >> maybe instead of getting my sister two things, you give one thing, you have to give pause on what could happen next year. >> reporter: today,
are nowhere close to a deal to avert that fiscal cliff. the obama administration has laid out its plan calling for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that includes letting the bush era tax cuts expire for those earning more than $250,000 a year. it's also pushing for a new $50 billion stimulus package and offering $400 billion in new cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs. but republican house speaker john boehner flatly rejected the plan on the table and what he calls the white house's unwillingness to compromise. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, you can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> you know, i think right now the best thing to do is for them to come to us and say, look, here's what we think makes sense. we've told them what we think makes sense. what we can't do is try to figure out what's going to be good for them. they have to come tell us. >> house minority leader and democrat nancy pelosi also jumping into
any spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're waiting for the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case,
manage president obama's re-election campaign. we'll talk more about the fiscal cliff. >>> first a look at other stories that are making news today. zoraida has that for us. >> good morning to you. the death toll in the philippines is rising this morning. typhoon bopha moving toward beach resorts in the northern part of the country and right now it is packing winds over 90 miles an hour. that storm has already caused massive flooding and landslides in the southern philippines. dozens of buildings have been destroyed and the death toll stands at 133 with hundreds more still missing. >>> meantime in rain soaked seattle there are concerns about more mudslides. meteorologist karen maginnis joins us live from atlanta with the latest. they cannot get a break. >> they really can't, and for some folks, this is not coming as good news because it looks like that pineapple express, that moisture coming from deep within the pacific, that's going to be shut off, but we've still got the moisture coming in from the gulf of alaska and that's going to lower the snow levels across the cascades and the ol
to speed this morning. president obama rejecting a fiscal cliff counter offer from republicans. the gop proposal calls for $2.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade, including 800 billion from tax reform. 600 billion from medicare reform, 600 billion in spending cuts. the white house is refusing to consider it because it doesn't include tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >>> and britain is rife with speculation this morning, is kate having a boy, or a girl? is she having twins? triplets? what about a name? britain is buzzing with news that prince william's wife, katherine, is pregnant. she is in a london hospital being treated for severe morning sickness. >>> students at one elementary school in atlanta will attend class in a different building this morning. dozens were sickened yesterday at their regular school by carbon monoxide poisoning. at least 49 were sent to the hospital. fire officials believe the heating system failed. later this morning we will talk to a student, a parent and a school official. >>> the judge overseeing the court marshall of nadal hassan has b
to avoid the fiscal cliff over republicans. the same poll gave president obama his highest approval rating in three years, with 53% support. in the next hour and a half, president obama will continue the great reasonableness tour of 2012. visiting a middle class family in northern virginia with the aim of putting more pressure on congress to extend middle income tax cuts. majority leader harry reid did his part for the cause on the senate floor today. >> so it's apparent how this will end. the only question is, when will it end? it's how long will speaker boehner make middle class families wait for relief and how long will he force the financial markets to wait for uncertainty. >> joining the panel now, the sage of capitol hill, the seasonally elegant luke russert. >> thank you so much for having me. >> you get a special intro when you arrive on set a little late. thrilled to have you here, with ongoing deliberation on capitol hill, you are the eyes. >> eyes and ears hopefully. yet i'm here, congress is recessed this week. >> always a reason, my friend. the fact that tim geithner came out
house claim president obama is willing to take the nation over the fiscal cliff if he doesn't get his way with raising taxes on the rich. where does that leave republicans now with our entire economy potentially on the line? senator orrin hatch, known for reaching across the aisle joins us next. >> brian: then this brave auto zone employee saved his boss' life, taking down a violent gunman who tried to rob the store. they didn't just say thank you. they said, i have a better idea. you're fired. >> steve: you're out of the zone [ female announcer ] you spend weeks planning it. you spend all day cooking it. so why spend even a moment considering any broth but swanson? the broth cooks trust most to make the meal folks spend all year waiting for. in stuffing and more, the secret is swanson. @ meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 com
counterproposal for heading off the fiscal cliff was a nonstarter. president obama made clear today that it will not be possible to get a deal to avert the fiscal cliff without raising taxes on the wealthy. the gop's plan did promise $2.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade. that's about half of what the president promises in his plan. but the gop plan does it without any tax hikes on the rich. and that is not going to fly with democrats. republicans for their part are unhappy that the president's proposal calls for $200 billion more in stimulus spending over the next year. here is how that breaks down. $95 billion to extend the payroll tax cut for one year, $30 billion to extend jobless benefit for one year, $50 billion to spend on roads and bridges and another $25 billion on short-term stuff like a temporary tax deduction for small businesses. the argument in favor of the president's plan is this could help people still hurting from years of economic trouble, but you know as well as i do, stimulus is almost as bad a word to republicans as tax hike. those are two words
's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they refuse to do that. >> reporter: even other republicans are split on john boehner's plan to avoid tax hikes all together and admit negotiations are going nowhere. >> nothing going on privately that's not going on publicly. >> reporter: republicans say the president needs to meet them halfway. >> he's got to be serious. he's offered more spending, more stimulus than offering any new cuts. >> reporter: and they insist there's good
president obama a taste of his own medicine, putting out his own proposal for avoiding the fiscal cliff. i spoke with tom coburn this hour and he said the deal boehner's put on the table is the best compromise out there. listen. >> i'm certain that if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff. >> if you read though, the boehner proposal carefully, no tax rate increases, which we know is a nonstarter for the president. so where does that leave us? john avlon is here to help us read through the lines of the deal, also crunch some of those numbers. first, we're talking about the $800 billion figure. that's in the letter that john boehner wrote to the president. break that down for us. >> that's right. there is no numbers breaking that down. it's a where's the beef question. bumper sticker, we have the numbers but no details. boehner's aides will say that's where the negotiations come in. the devil's in the details. they'll say look, to achieve these revenue increases by closing deductions and loopholes. in the letter boehner sent, he says they may be able t
he takes us over the clip because he doesn't -- the cliff because he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. he's got blinders on. >> so does president obama really seem to think somebody made him king? rick santorum joins us. you've got a new book out. thanks very much for the book. now to the issue. the president being accused of being a king, arrogant, stubborn, not brokering an agreement, not being serious and more. is that fair? >> look. this is a negotiation right now. obviously both sides are going to be throwing bombs at each other until you get to the serious negotiations. probably the most troubling part of that is, you know, the president doesn't seem to be willing to come forward with specific ideas on how he's going to get there, and the one point that i will agree with the republicans are saying is this deal is not going to happen unless the president leads. this is not -- his experience, unfortunately, the president's experience in the past in getting legislative accomplishments was just working on the democratic side of the aisle, obama care, the stimulus pac
counter offer. come to me now, guys, we are okay. in a letter to president obama, the president writes that the american people expect the leaders to find common ground . with that they proposed a bold counter offer for averting the fiscal cliff. the republican plan seeks $800 billion through tax reform and mandatory spending cuts. the white house said that the republican proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >> we understand they don't agree with everything but we have not seen alternatives for them and they spoke about the need for revenue and that acknowledgment is welcome. but thus far republicann leaders are adament don't believe rates should go up on the top two percent of the american people. the american people disagree. rates have to rise and the republicans need to acknowledge that. >> that's the major difference between the two sides. tax hikes for the rich x. republicans want tax reform and eliminate deductions and closing the loop holes. the president said on twitter, there can't be tax cuts at the rich at the expense of domestic p
. president obama has all the leverage because he knows if it goes over the fiscal cliff, tax cuts expires and he'll never let the top 2% get that tax cut reinstated. if they do what you suggested, vote the tax cut, continue it for the 98%, then the leverage switches to them come the time of the debt limit. they might be able to make a deal where they save some of it so it doesn't go up to 39%. maybe goes up to 37.5%. maybe they do the buffett rule and only raise rates on people making $500,000. they have a little room to leverage but right now they have zero leverage, zero. >> do you agree with that? i don't know if i agree with that. it's hard once the rates go back to 39.6 or whatever they go to, to go back and say, now we to want cut taxes for the rich. what's the reason to do it? the republican party says we have to stop the government, stop paying our debts, don't pay our bills anymore because we have to help out the rich now. that would be the worst situation to be in. >> as the conversation shifts really to the bottom line in the deficit. at the end of the day the whole thing is ab
for your future. ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." today president obama again made clear there will be no deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff without the rich paying a higher tax rate. got it? higher rate. in this interview on bloomberg tv, he made it. let's listen. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms in entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> there you heard it again, top rates have to go up, and rates. and some republicans are saying that the gop will ultimately say uncle. conservative columnist byron york, a very smart guy, wrote, quote, republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest income americans. the only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. "new york times" columnist david brooks d
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. boehner and the republicans have to be aware of where obama's at in his own head and with his colleagues, which is no deal without some increase in rates, or we go over the cliff. >> let me just add one thing. when obama made that initial offer, we talked a little bit about how, you know, it was a wish list. it was ideological, whatever you want to say. i think it actually helped boehner in some respects because it gave him three or four things that he could then go back to his caucus and say, look, i moved obama off of this, this and this. and when boehner put his offer out there, you started to see what could potentially be a chip-trading process going on here, whereby you have some give on, you know, cpi, the inflation index for social security, and in exchange boehner would agree to some marginal rate in the tax rates. now the people need to start figuring out what they want to give and take. >> the only difference i would say, steve, between what the president wants and john boehner is it's not what john boehner wants. it's what john boehner can deliver. >> yeah. >> and this is a si
with the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline of automatic tax hikes on everybody and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise taxes on the highest earner. yesterday obama also appeared to showroom for flexibility on actually relowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. p what i've suggested is let's essentially put a down payment on taxes. let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform, we look at what loo
deadly gas. how that changes president obama's stance on a possible intervention. john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations comes under fire again. this time, it's over ra wwanda. let's go "outfront." evening, welcome, everybody. i'm soledad o'brien. breaking news. president obama puts the syrian president bashar al assad on notice. the president is reacting to new notice that the regime is mixing with chemicals to make deadly gas. and today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is an would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said the summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention, so "outfront" tonight, barbara starr. how exactly clear is the evidence in fact they are now moving
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
think if we do go over the cliff, it's their fault because they've dedicated themselves to one thing only and that's preventing obama from getting anything done. they need to shed that label. they've got enough problems in the demographic changes in our society. on the other hand, the president while in a strong position wants to get something done. history and the american people are not going to judge him on the basis that someone else kept me from doing it. they're going to judge him on the basis of what did he get done, and this can be done for the sake of the country in a way that does not irrevocably shatter anyone's principles but represents a common sense compromise, good for the country and therefore, good for both sides. >> interesting. senator mitchell, appreciate your time. thanks. >> thanks. >>> you heard senator mitchell say republicans need to shed the obstructionist label. two of them are joining me right now. cnn contributor eric erickson and republican strategist rich galen, former press secretary to newt gingrich and dan quayle. you say republicans are spending too
thing for president obama and the democrats in an attempt to at some point either before or after going off the cliff, reaching some kind of deal with boehner. what boehner's message seems to be to these conservatives willing to vote for something because it is not conservative enough. i need better team players if i'm going to walk back from the white house with a deal. i need your vote on it. >> right. by removing the two from the house budget committee, they basically, what he's doing is putting in people who will do what he says. people who will get him the votes out of the budget committee that would then make it possible for him to take it to the floor and get a big vote. we will see it as much as last time, trying to pass this thing with just republican votes. he can get it out of committee and get it to the floor and get it passed with the magic 218 or north of that if he possibly can. >> the conservatives, the crazy ones are just really angry about this. the club for growth released this statement. congressman are now free of the last remnants of the establishment leverage agai
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